margaret carlson and ramesh debate obamacare's revival. we began the program with the former secretary of state, dr. madeleine albright. madame secretary. >> good to be with you. noble a tribute to the statesmen, nelson mandela. you say you treasure the memory of your meetings with him. what is the most memorable? what's the most memorable was his modesty. he walked up to me and said, hello, i am nelson mandela, like you would not know. when he spoke at the general , he walked upon slowly to that podium and he would take out his glasses and he would clean them and then he would put them on, then he would speak with a great cadence. . also visited him as a human being, he was stunning. the more you knew the history of a man that had spent so much time in prison. for me, a most important thing forgiveness. his >> no bitterness. >> no bitterness. >> you said his words and works will survive. when you look around the world today whether it is asia, the middle east, or africa, there is the anti-mandela forces that are dominant. why is there no